Knee Pain

Nov 29, 2011

  • Niall asked The Guru for the following Physiotherapy Advice:

    Hi, I have been suffering with knee pain since July 2010. At the time I had just gone back training/ playing sport (nothing specific, maybe 20 miles/week and football training 4 nights/week (on artificial grass)) after a 2 year hiatus.

    After finishing a football session one evening I had a severe ache on the outside of my right knee. I rested, iced it for a few days but after 4 days I broke into a brief jog (chasing a stray shot on the golf course) and almost immediately felt a sharp pain on the outside of the knee, almost like a nerve was pinched. Unfortunately I didn’t go to a PT immediately, and after speaking with a personal trainer at my gym and a bit of self-diagnosis decided it was probably my it band.

    At the time I did a lot of foam rolling, stretching and strengthening exercises, and the pain did subside a little, but never enough to be able to run more than 2 miles. I may also have run through the pain on a number of occasions which was probably not the brightest thing to do.

    But here is the really annoying part. I finally booked an appointment with my PT, who I had previously seen (in 2002) and had gotten orthotics from. My feet do pronate and I have a slight leg length discrepancy. I hadn’t been wearing the orthotics for 2 years so first thing he did was have me a pair remade. The thing was however, he diagnosed me with a damaged cartilage. For almost over a months he treated the injury with heat machine in his practice 4 times a week, and I was treating it with a hat damp towel 3-4 times daily. He said it was to try and entice the blood in to heal the cartilage.

    Eventually however, I was visiting London (nearly a year ago to the day) and it was in the middle of the really cold spell,. I walked around the city for hours doing the touristy things, and my knee started to ache until eventually I got that sharp sudden pain shooting through my leg from my knee, enough to cause the leg to collapse under me.

    On my next PT visit, he just said it’s too damaged, and he wrote to my GP for me to be seen for an MRI with the most likely outcome of me needing surgery for the “horizontal tear in my horizontal tear in lateral meniscus” as he put it in the email to my GP.

    In January I moved to London, and started a new job. I ignored the fact that my knee was in need of treatment. The pain had subsided but I couldn’t do any exercise. It wasn’t until this July just gone, on another holiday requiring a lot of walking that the pain flared up again. Since then I have seen a physio on the NHS, still thinking it was my cartilage.

    Last week I finally was referred to a PT who had a different view to what the injury was. The IT band.

    He said he was very confident that was the issue. He gave me a local anaesthetic to the location of the pain and asked me to try and aggravate it in a way that usually induces the pain. I ran for 3 miles home, and there was no real pain. The next day it was very sore agin though. The PT said he is now sure that it is my IT band. I don’t really know, is this a common way of diagnosing injury. Numb it and try aggravate it.

    I don’t know what to think, I’ve no real faith after spending so much time and money last year thinking it was my cartilage.

    I just need to get it sorted, my heart is broken from it. The PT offered me a cortisone injection but I declined, If it is my IT Band I think I need to start from scratch and find the route cause.

    Can you point me in the right direction. I now live in Islington, so hopefully you know somewhere I can get the right treatment.

    Cheers.

  • The Six Physio Guru responded:

    Blimey!

    Not sure where to start....but grrrr to the other physios. I've no idea what the heat was meant to be doing (cartilage has no blood supply, and as it doesn't this is the problem as to why they don't heal) and i'm not sure why a physio want's to be squirting steroid into your knee, when you've got a confirmed tear....

    The local block into your ITB is OK as its temporary and helps tell you where the pain generator is, but (and a big BUT) it doesn't tell you why. The why is most likely to relate to your lateral meniscus, and that's the most likely cause.

    Lateral meniscii are pretty important things to have in your knee especially if you're under 35-40. The transverse or horizonal tear maybe cystic, it maybe not. This can give very, very, very similar ITB symptoms but is treated very differently.

    Regardless of what is what (ITB, cystic lateral meniscus or just meniscal) your body will have done lots and lots of adapting since this first started. Before doing anything I'd get somebody to have a look at what's causing the ongoing issues rather than just trying to make you feel better....

    Hope this helps

    The Guru

    Six Physio

  • Niall responded:

    Thanks for the reply.

    I know its a long and complicated story but it seems you've got the gist of it.

    The main thing is, 1 physio reckons it is a tear and another reckons it the it band. Ive never had a scan or anything so I dont know whose opinion is more reliable. I dont think I the tear was confirmed, it was the physios opinion.

    Where do I go from here? Can you recomend somewhere to go to have it looked at? Anywhere in London.

    Thanks again.

    Really eager to get to the bottom of this.

  • Niall responded:

    Sorry, one more thing,

    The 2nd physio (the one who applied the local block) said because i didnt really feel the pain while the local block was applied to the knee it pointed to the it band. He said the local block would have no impact on the cartilige. Is this true?

  • The Six Physio Guru responded:

    Yes - your cartilage has no blood or nerve supply, so the block wouldn't affect that. The pain you feel from having a dodgy cartilage is when the synovium (the bit that surrounds the joint) becomes irritated. But, you fill a joint full of local anaesthetic and you have a similar effect.

    I think without any shadow of any doubt you need an MRI scan to confirm or deny what you've been told. I thought that the tear was confirmed - that's a massive call without any imagery to confirm that. Best bet (certainly the cheapest, not necessarily the best - but should be OK for your knee) is to get an MRI done at http://www.vistadiagnostics.co.uk/ and then see what's what. This will tell you about the pain generator, but as mentioned earlier it won't tell you why. I think that's more important.....

    Let me know

    The Guru

    Six Physio

  • Niall responded:

    Thanks again,

    Finally some straight talking.

    Regarding getting the MRI, they say I need a referral from a clinician. What is it I need? The physio I saw most recently was through the NHS and its his oppinion that its by IT Band, wouldnt like to ask him for a referal to get an MRI, it would seem rude just to dismiss his profesional oppinion. The physio who believed it to be a tear is based outside of the UK (Ireland) would his referal be accepted in the UK?

    Is there an easier option?

  • The Six Physio Guru responded:

    I'd get on the phone to your GP, give him the low down and your current dilemma about nailing what's up with your knee. Tell him you've had conflicting advice, but want an outcome.

    Your GP may want to see you, he may be happy for a telephone consultation. But you'll need his squiggle on the referral form or one of the Physios that you've seen. I think you can download a foam fill it in and then leave with your GP/Physio to sign.

    The Guru

    Six Physio

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